Cro Magnon man in Europe and Africa.

So, I found a good facial reconstruction of a Cro Magnon, and it reminds me of the Welsh rugby team for some reason. Mr Mathilda thinks it looks liike Andre Agassi though. He has a point.

According to modern studies on the skulls, the Finns are a pretty good match for the Cro Magnon European skulls, just being slighlty less robust now. It’s quite possible they commonly had ginger hair, not dark, as several European variants of ginger hair seem to date to thirty thousand years old and older. Cro Magnons were tall, strong and very muscular, much more so than the modern population of Europe who have ‘gracile’ thinner bones.

Cro Magnon type skulls, called Mechtoid skulls are also found over North Africa. Genetic evidence also supports a Eurasian back migration into North Africa ~30,000 BP. The North African ‘Cro Magnids’ differed slightly from their European cousins, with a lower sloping forehead and heavier brows, and slightly wider noses. They seem to share some affinites with the Nubian population also, but less than with the European Cro Magnons. To date, no African population has been found that has Mechtoid characteristics, suggesting they were absorbed in sub Saharan Africa into the later Bantu expansion, and in the North by the later Capsian culture.

Oranian ‘mechtoid’ skull, sans incisors. Kiffian mechtoid skull from central Niger

Cro Magnon skull (cast) from Les Eyzies de Tayac, and Mladec man.

The Mechtoids seem to me to hint at some Neanderthal ancestry, with their lower foreheads and occipital buns (you did get Neanderthals in North Africa too).

This abstract agrees with my observation with a movement North along the Nile after the Cro Magnon colonisation of North Africa, as the Mechtoids show some Nubian affinites as you move East, but not at the more western Moroccan site of Taforalt. This Negroid affiinity seem to have been more or less wiped out along the Mediterranean coast by the expansion of the Neolithic farmers from West Asia, who heralded the beginning of the Capsian culture.

The Terminal Pleistocene and Early Holocene Populations of Northern Africa.

COLIN P. GROVES AND ALAN THORNE 1999

Abstract:

We studied three northern African samples of human cranial remains from the Pleistocene/Holocene boundary: Afalou-bou-Rhummel, Taforalt, and Sudanese Nubia (Jebel Sahaba and Tushka), and compared them to late Pleistocene Europeans and Africans. Despite their relatively late dates, all three of our own samples exhibit the robusticity typical of late Pleistocene Homo sapiens. As far as population affinities are concerned, Taforalt is Caucasoid and closely resembles late Pleistocene Europeans, Sudanese Nubia is Negroid, and Afalou exhibits an intermediate status. Evidently the Caucasoid/Negroid transition has fluctuated north and south over time, perhaps following the changes in the distribution of climatic zones.

A mainly caucasoid piopulation in North africa is also supported by this ancient DNA study.

Mitochondrial diversity in the Taforalt population (circa 12,000 BP, Morocco): a genetic approach to the study of the peopling of North Africa.)

  ABSTRACT: 

The population exhumed from the archaeological site of Taforalt in Morocco (12,000 years BP) is a valuable source of information toward a better knowledge of the settlement of Northern Africa region and provides a revolutionary way to specify the origin of Ibero-Maurusian populations. Ancient DNA was extracted from 31 bone remains from Taforalt.The HVS1 fragment of the mitochondrial DNA control region was PCR-amplified and directly sequenced. Mitochondrial diversity in Taforalt shows the absence of sub-Saharan haplogroups suggesting that Ibero-Maurusian individuals had not originated in sub-Saharan region. Our results reveal a probable local evolution of Taforalt population and a genetic continuity in North Africa.

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13 responses to “Cro Magnon man in Europe and Africa.

  1. Despite the research based on skulls and languistic studies it is confusing to say that all berberes are same people .The true berberes first inhabitants of algeria came from the horn of africa,they are dark skin and their language is Afro asiatic ( Hamitic). The amazighs of the north are celtics from europeens descendants .
    We can say that they are not the first inhabitant of the maghreb arab. Their language they borrowed it from people of the south. Hamitic language has same similiralities as arabic

    • true berberes first inhabitants of algeria came from the horn of africa

      No they didn’t, we have dna from 12,000 year old skeletons in North Africa that’s entirely North African and Eurasian in origin. Later input into North Africa came mainly from the near East. East Africa has nothing to do with Berbers or North Africa.

      Semtic languages that share a reasonably recent ancestor with Berber languages are from the Levant area, not Africa.

      Afro Asiatic is not ‘Hamitic’.

  2. Ms Mathilda37, based on your commments next time I will not trust what I read in Wikipedia and free encyclopedia . I am an algerian with kabyle blood ,how I can approach the Touareg who are different in phenotype than teh kabyles
    Mr joseph greeberg is wrong

  3. Wow it is so cool that you realized this too. There is a perfect explanation for them being neanderthal-cro-magnon hybrids!
    At 24,500 ybp there are neanderthals still on the rock of Gibralter and the so-called hybrids and Portugal. 2,500 years is not alot in prehistoric terms; the last Neanderthals known from before the Gibralter ones are 28,000 ybp!
    We’ve got a 3,500 year gap between the the second to last Neanderthals and the neanderthals and hybrids of souther Iberia, then another 2,500 year gap between the southern Iberians and the Ibero-Maurusians.
    I wonder if they developed the tooth-knocking in Europe or learned it in Africa?

  4. Exactly where did you get this reconstruction from mathida?

  5. for ploitical reason somme tant to bring the berber to africa and arab but this is folse in spite of dna study and autore who sad they come from europe juste loock at soome of the berber king of antiquity they are indo european racialy and culturally an i’am berber and also white with euro caracter type

  6. important note : throught the eage berber bring many slave from africa and yamen after islam some mixed with them this is why somme loock darker and they have the culture of berber and some not mixed as result we have two berber region the great and the small the slave is called in berber ” a vercan ” the unmixed loock soome times german irish scotich with nordic stright and soome times spaniard greek and italian in fact this is a mater of tribe or clan

  7. Toslayerx13: The white berbers people( called sea people) originated in Phillistine(today Gaza ) in the neolithic,They moved to north africa in the Chalcolithic 3000 Bc after been chased by Joshua to egypte where they stay along the nile river popuplation speaking afroasitic, the nubians for almost 1000years.When RamsesIIItook power,He feared their increasing number He chased them to the edge of egypt( HARRIS PAPIRUS) from where they started their journey to the marghreb where they met in Lybia others people with thicks lips and hairs, called by egyptians Temehou. Berbers are mixed with Nubians ,egyptians ,romans,punics,arabs ,blacks and whites slaves in the time of Barbary slave trade ,for that CAPOT -REY”S said in his expert view.<>Their language afroasiatic is spoken from north africa to the Niger,Nigeria,cameroon and in some somali tribes and touaregs

  8. Stone tools at the early ceramic sites in Mali show affinities with those from earlier sites further South in Burkina Faso ca. 11kbc. and at Shum Laka Cameroon, ca. 20k . It seems more likely that Saharan pottery was discovered by peoples, of Southern origin. Remains of Negroid types are also quite old in Mali. It may have been these, or related, peoples(who may have spoken some from of proto-Niger Congo) who eventually overwhelmed the Mechtoids. The Bantu expansion is not responsible as it includes only areas to the South and East of Cameroon. The rest of West Africa is dominated by other subsets of the Niger-Congo family to which Bantu belongs.

    • It seems more likely that Saharan pottery was discovered by peoples, of Southern origin

      I’m going with a negroid population from around the North Lake Chad area for the ceramics. I’m going with the theory they were Nilo-Saharan speakers, but I’m fairly fluid on that issue. The really old Mali dates for the ceramics are a bit iffy methodoligically and don’t fit the expansion pattern. I spent a few hours mapping the dates and expansion of the ceramics and my bullseye wasn’t in Mali, but further east.

  9. I should perhaps add that the Shum Laka lithic tradition, (which is dominated by microliths) spans from 30k-10k bc. and derives from the Sangoan tradition of the Central African paleolithic.

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