Modern Upper Egyptians
A strange title for a blog entry I know. But this is a result of a little nosing through the DNA studies available of modern Egypt, and some irritation at modern Egyptians being incessantly called ‘thieving Arabs’ by on-line Afrocentrists.
This is more focussed on the Egyptians around Luxor, where old upper Egypt was located. A recent DNA study by Cruciani that focused on the Y chromosome E-M78 revealed that it was ’born’ in North East Africa , not East Africa as previously thought. This means, that an Egyptian with an m78 Y chromosome has had a male line ancestry reaching back to the Pleistocene inhabitants of Egypt; as far back as the Halfan culture about 24,000 years ago.
Southern Egyptians Y Chromomses are mainly native to Africa, both sub and supra Saharan. This makes a grand total of 80.3% definitively African non-Arab ancestry in the upper Egypt region. Y chromosomes possibly attributable to Arab males are very much in the minority in this area. A rough estimate (since no women invaded Egypt) is that about 5% or less of this population are from non dynastic Egyptian peoples, and not all of these would be Arabs.
Northern Egyptians are a bit more cosmopolitan in their ancestry 64.8% indigenous African. About 20% of the Y chrom0somes are near Eastern in origin, and 10.5 % are R Y chromosomes. However, some of these near eastern and European Y chromosomes show an ancient entry to Africa (G, K2, R1, R1b are 8,000 BP and older) and any historical contribution from foreign men is more likely to be in the 15% area. Divided by two (no recent female contribution to speak of). This makes non-dynastic Egyptian population around the 7% mark in Lower Egypt; and only some of this is Arab.
As for the maternal inheritance; this is more varied. From a study at Gurna (of modern upper Egyptians):
H 14.7%, I 5.9%, J 5.9%, L1a 11.7%, L1e 5.9%, L2a 2.9%, M1 17.6%, N1b 8.8%, T 5.9%, U 8.8% U3 2.9%, U4 5.9% ,L3*(a) 5.9%, L3*(b) 2.9%, Other 2.9%.
Of these, the L haplotypes are typically sub Saharan (23.7%), M1 and U are ancient Eurasian, present at least 30,000 years and many of the other Eurasian haplotypes have been found in 12,000 year old bones in Morocco. The N an I are possibly attributable to Arab ancestry, about 15% non-Arab in upper Egypt. But still, most of that would easily be attributable to the Neolithic input from Asia- and very little of this would be attributable to Arabs
To sum up, there doesn’t seem to be majority ‘Arab’ genetic component to the Egyptian DNA pool, 20% absolute maximum. And a lot of the non African DNA is traceable to the Neolithic farming expansion that swept across North Africa, so it would be a lot lower in reality.
In upper Egypt a maximum of 20% of the Y chromosomes are non African (the Mt DNA has been shown to be the same since dynastic times from Nubian mummy studies).. so how these people are supposed to have magically changed appearance in the past few thousand years with so little foreign input I’d like to know.
Egyptians are Egyptian, not Arab.
Very simplified Y chromosome information from Lucotte 2003.
40 responses so far ↓
terryt // November 10, 2008 at 8:56 am |
I have the same problem with people who call Palestinians Arabs. They’re no more Arab than are Egyptians. I’m afraid many people use the term ‘Arab’ as meaning anyone from anywhwere near the Middle east who speaks Arabic. It’s the same as calling many groups of Africans English or French.
Hakat Re // November 11, 2008 at 5:27 am |
I agree with terryt. The broad label “Arabs” for the vast majority of people from the Middle East only exposes the ignorance and general lack of knowledge of most Westerners. The only “true Arabs” are from Saudi Arabia. Most Egyptians, Lebanese, Syrians, Libyans and even many Jordanians do not consider themselves Arabs.
Also, good job Mathilda on the photos above. Although, the collage does not show all the respective physiognomies of the people of Upper Egypt, it does provide us a glimpse as to what many of them look like. No doubt, your selections are synonymous with your beliefs regarding 60% Eurasian content for the region.
mathilda37 // November 11, 2008 at 9:50 am |
Hakat, the ancestry for the people in upper Egypt at this time is about 1/4 sub saharan, mostly North African for Y chromosomes and Eurasian for mt DNA.
These are ALL the decent images I could trawl of people from the modern upper Egypt/Luxor area that showed a good view of the face. If a higher percentage look more African, they are being very camera shy. Do remember, this is peice about modern not ancient upper Egyptians.
These are pretty typical of modern upper Egyptians. The blacker ones tend to be south of Aswan, in the lower Nubia area.
Greesh // May 4, 2009 at 9:49 pm |
Matilda,
If Egyptians are 84% or so African, then why does Zahi Hawass say 2007 interview, that Egyptians are not Africans and not Arabs? When I speak to some Egyptians they say the same thing. I am have less than 50% African blood in me, but I am considered African American.
mathilda37 // May 5, 2009 at 6:54 pm
I think the average is 68% African on the Y chr, mainly Eurasian for maternal ancestry going back at least 12k.
Rule one of Egyptology- never try to understand Zahi Hawass- that way lies madness.
mathilda37 // November 12, 2008 at 2:05 pm |
Oops about M81, didn’t look at the tree properly. You got the age wrong though, 5,600 years.
I never really comment on the sub Saharan Y chromsomes. Once you go back past M78 it’s not very relevant to NA or West Asia, my area of interest.
Also, I said the Halfan culture dated back 24k. As I’ve often point out, estimated ages on Y chr NEVER match known population movements, they always come out about 50% too young. I’d like to remind you these dates are just estimates too. E3b1 had to have migrated North With the Halfan culture about 22k ago, there’s no other way it could have made it into Europe.
As a matter of fact it could be said that many Sub-Saharan’s dont have “Sub Saharan DNA.
Quite right. Ethiopia is about 40% Eurasian.
The fact that E3b1 has an East African parent says bugger all about it’s own point of origin and population affinities. You ONLY find it in populations with a lot of Eurasian ancestry, It originated in a largely Eurasian Mt DNA environment in North East Africa too. it always drags Eurasian derived M1 mt around with it.
SO basically An East African Horn population migrated to Southern Egypt. Some groups migrated on[V13,V65,], but some groups migrated BACK into Horn East Africa
Yes, M78 carriers which come from the Egypt area, with their M1 and U Eurasian derived wives.
terryt // November 13, 2008 at 8:41 am |
Mathilda I presume you’ve seen this:
http://homepage.eircom.net/~ihdp/ihdp/e.jpg
mathilda37 // November 13, 2008 at 10:25 pm |
Ast, you’re reading the wrong paper!You want this one.
http://wysinger.homestead.com/haplotypes_in_egypt.pdf
The hg V in the Falasha paper isn’t the same one as here.If you read through some of Lucottes other papers, you’ll see this is just the namimg protocol he uses, giving them all Roman numerals. They represent different Y chomosomes in most studies.
The description of the V frequencies here make it rather unmistakably M81. You’ll see this in other places, being called the ‘north African marker’ and this can really only apply to one Y chromosome. 68.9% among Moroccan Berbers is pretty unmistakable; only one Y chromosome is going to fit that profile, and that’s m81.
mathilda37 // November 14, 2008 at 6:59 pm |
Actually you may be right…(looks abashed) .. after reading the Keita paper they seem to have lumped a load in together. I’m so embarrased.
Although, since they are all ‘E’s it’s probably a moot point for the item above, since it was pointing out they are non-Arabs. But thanks for the patience.
Thank you for making me re-read that Keita paper.
Priceless.
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djilali djaber // April 24, 2009 at 3:45 am |
Ms Mathilda the goal of the arab armies entering any country in the 7 th century was to convert its people not to arabize it . Theirs mission was accomplished in spreading Islam . Take as exemple Turkey,Iran,Indonesia… But the present-day arab countries,they had at that time a cultural emptiness that was fulfilled by the newcomers seen as the new masters after defeating the roman empire and local resistance.
As for the appearance,I always been taken as an egyptian by egyptians themselves I met in my life ,so,I am an arab algerian from Irak descend.
Be an Arab today is to have arab culture and arabic as your mother tongue not necessarily arabian origin.
djilali djaber // April 24, 2009 at 11:04 pm |
Mr(s) Terryt why your are so afraid that many people called us Arabs .This scientific blog is to find out the origin of people ,does not scare. If you denied us to belonging to this etnicity ,just call us Moslem (exception to arab christians) .As for Mr(s) Hakat Re ,you are lying by saying most of egyptians,jordanians,libyans,syrians do not consider themselves arabs.I am from algeria ,I have a big contact with my Arabs compatriotes from all over the nation and we always congratulate each other with <> wich means Brother and when we talk about the problems of our nation we always say We the Arabs, does not matter our origin.Period
Most of americans are not native(INDIANS) of origin and they ‘re proud to be.NO objection
Mr Sarkozy is not a franc(true french),but he consider himself french.Where is the problem?
Be afraid of the west calling us Arabs has to do with racist ideology.
The present is the status quo.
djilali djaber // April 24, 2009 at 11:06 pm |
thanks you
djilali djaber // April 25, 2009 at 11:22 pm |
The phylogeography of Y-chromosome haplogroups E (Hg E) and J (Hg J) was investigated in 12,400 subjects from
29 populations, mainly from Europe and the Mediterranean area but also from Africa and Asia. The observed 501
Hg E and 445 Hg J samples were subtyped using 36 binary markers and eight microsatellite loci. Spatial patterns
reveal that (1) the two sister clades, J-M267 and J-M172, are distributed differentially within the Near East, North
Africa, and Europe; (2) J-M267 was spread by two temporally distinct migratory episodes, the most recent one
probably associated with the diffusion of Arab people; (3) E-M81 is typical of Berbers, and its presence in Iberia and
Sicily is due to recent gene flow from North Africa; (4) J-M172(xM12) distribution is consistent with a Levantine/
Anatolian dispersal route to southeastern Europe and may reflect the spread of Anatolian farmers; and (5) E-M78
(for which microsatellite data suggest an eastern African origin) and, to a lesser extent, J-M12(M102) lineages
would trace the subsequent diffusion of people from the southern Balkans to the west. A 7%–22% contribution
of Y chromosomes from Greece to southern Italy was estimated by admixture analysis.
To have more informations,visit:
http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publication/AJHG_2004_v7...
To Terryt and Hakat Re
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Mo // April 29, 2009 at 3:33 pm |
From the cultural point of view, Egyptians are more accurately described as “Arabicized”; so too should most of the other peoples commonly referred to as Arabs. The only “true” Arabs are the Yemenis.
Egypt had an indigenous population of some 10 million Copts when it was conquered by Amr ibn al-’As in the mid-seventh century. The Copts, who still constitute a large minority of modern Egypt, certainly were not Arabs – they had their own language and their own customs.
The process of Arabicization started following the Muslim conquest. The Copts began to adopt the Arabic language, over the course of centuries. Some converted to Islam, partly because of persecution, and partly because they couldn’t afford the taxes levied against them by their new rulers.
bastawisi // April 29, 2009 at 5:31 pm |
thanks for never chicken out to tell the truth, we specially copts are not arabs.
djilali djaber // April 30, 2009 at 5:54 pm |
To bastawisi
Who cares! just try to not talk arabic and your are done. Do like me,I am algerian Arby,because of french language( colonial heritage) I moved to anglo saxon Canada to avoid speaking french.
French means to me 130 years of persecution of algerian people by France.
Mira from Palestine // April 30, 2009 at 9:31 pm |
cultural emptiness?!!! wow , thats such an ignorant thing to say ..
yes we can say very much the same about many modern Arab nations, that doesn’t mean that ARABISM as some call it only came with Islam, it came centuries before , Palestinians for example are also a mixture of many nations , semites immigrated thousands of years ago from the arab island and lived in various parts of wats now the arab world, this happened way before Islam.
Adham // May 1, 2009 at 4:07 pm |
true…i consider myself as a coptic muslim…
refaat // May 1, 2009 at 6:09 pm |
well i agree with edward said that when it comes to culture and nations trying to identify their own id and that which of other it’s a very complicated process that cannot be minimized in our paternal ancestors or our dna tests ….and in the light of this the test gives us a small (if not a minor) addition to the deep, complicated, tangled and controversial issue of our national id.
Marianne // May 1, 2009 at 7:56 pm |
True, I am Coptic (Egyptian) Christian and never considered myself as an Arab… and I am proud of my ancestry.
Waleed Arafa // May 1, 2009 at 9:27 pm |
If this article/research/blog proves anything it proves that Egyptians today who are mostly Muslims are not “Arab Immigrants” they’re Copts which does not neseccarily mean Christian, who had chosen willingly to become Muslims, not as MO up their is trying to indicate because of taxes or persecution…History proves that persecution has ever managed making Egyptians believe or continue to believe in something they did not really beleive in. I am from upper Egypt (from al Munshah – Suhag) and like most upper Egyptians can easily trace my geneology hundreds of years back, for we keep records…and I am willingly a Muslim today, no one forced me…so yes…I am a Coptic Muslim.
Cheers!
Salwa Elfekky // May 2, 2009 at 5:39 pm |
I am not surprised about ur findings but if u apply same study on other nations u will have as sruprising findings. The world was mainly inhabited by migration from one part to another for diff. reasons. As for Arabs invading Egypt and other places surely they had a greater impact actually more than Romans and Greeks. Arabs trnsformed Egyptians from Christianity to Islam and from Coptic language to Arabic. We can easily say that by embracing Islam and arabic language Egyptians are culturally and emotionally Arabs. We could claim that we are above Arabs bec. of our historical background but we, like or not, associate ourselves with arabs and not africans.
Bastawisi // May 4, 2009 at 2:22 pm |
adham;
there is nothing like Muslim Copts cuz Copts mean native egyptian and Muslims are not native egyptians, they are Arabs.
djilali djaber // May 5, 2009 at 11:17 pm |
To Bastawi , The true coptes are few in number because most of them embraced Islam following their leader who accepted to convert and gave his daughter Maria as a wife to the prophet Mohamed( peace upon Him),she is well known as Maria el cobtia in Islam ,most of the christians of today’s egypt are refugees who came from greece and Armenia during the Ottman califate .Islamic world was a safe heaven for many christians and jews who were prosecuted in their proper countries because of theirs believes. When the americas were found ,than the exodus change de cap.
Michael // June 20, 2009 at 1:07 am |
Djilali djaber,
Where did you read your history? from a stupid Islamic fundamentalist? Christians in Egypt are not refugees. That is completely false. Christianity has always been in Egypt since the time that Christ himself was in Egypt. Mark the Evangelist preached in Alexandria and is considered the first patriarch of the Alexandrian Church. It wasn’t until the Arab conquest that Egyptians started converting to Islam. By the 11th century, Egypt was 50% Christian and 50% Muslim. Even the Coptic language was still spoken until the 15th century. I suggest reading about your history before writing about it.
Salwa Elfekky // May 6, 2009 at 4:55 pm |
mr Bastawisi, Arbs immigrants or invaders could never outnumber Egyptians . the only explanation left for the majority of moslem population in Egypt is that the christians converted to Islam. As a result we could say that a majority of moslems in Egypt are descendants of Egyptian natives i.e. copts. But i totally agree with u that the term copt should not be used as we speak in Arabic and not in old Egyptian language.
Jamaicanboi // June 10, 2009 at 6:25 pm |
I’m so glad someone else has taken the time to clear up this matter. I don’t know what it is, but this issue of Ancient Egypt and race just seems to bring the stupid out of everyone, Black, white and even some Egyptians and Arabs.
To me, the only significance the issue of race in Ancient Egypt has is that it overthrows the white supremacist view point that intelligence is linked to skin color. A theory that was created to justify European colonialism.
Equally ridiculous is trying to carve the world’s populations into neat little boxes called races. While it is obvious that humans come in a variety of physical types, it is not possible to tell where one group ends and another begins. Egypt is one area in the world that is a perfect example of this. Egypt lies at a crossroads that has never been separate from its neighbors to the north or south and the DNA and appearance of the people reflects this. WHAT IS BLACK? How dark does one have to be to be Black? What combination of features do you have to have? Just look at a picture of Rosa Parks for example. In the United States she was classified as a negro. Yet the same people, both black and white in the US who would call Modern Egyptians “ARAB INVADERS”, would say the very same thing about Rosa Parks is you showed them a picture of her in a tarha and mandil. She could easily blend in. So what in reality is an Arab? What is a Negro? More importantly, who is making these rules and who gives them the right to do so? More important than that, WHY DO WE NEED TO PIGION HOLE PEOPLE LIKE THIS TO BEGIN WITH?
mathilda37 // July 13, 2009 at 1:13 pm |
the white supremacist view point that intelligence is linked to skin color. A theory that was created to justify European colonialism
Funny really- Jews and Japanese score higher than Europeans when tested.
tzopilotl // June 15, 2009 at 2:22 pm |
…jabber, the french language doesn’t have
the blame, it is the implementers of policy
in a dying nation, e.g., britain also, colonialism
always precedes decay, it’s the only way a
tottering, spoiled class system can survive,
as vampires on the rest of the word.
the french language itself is in decline,
the usable vocabulary of its speakers
is only 1/4 of what it used to be, that’s
why the present french are such snots
about their grand invalid, le idiome,
but as spirit all language should be
respected. watch what happens to
english, they are next on the block,
the tumbril is already taking it
to the guillotine, but cheer up,
they will all be preserved in their
jars, for we have their original
(D)NAuatl.
rigooo // July 2, 2009 at 10:48 pm |
i must say that maybe egyptians are not arabs but being arabic is much a concept more than being a race if u asked almost of the egyptians they will tell u that they r arabs not copts and they even will not say that they r (a moslim copts) but arabic moslim.and i know that because i am an egyptian!
tzopilotl // July 13, 2009 at 3:31 pm |
…origin is one thing. present catastrophy,
whether in the form of pan-arabism, yahweh,
or flagellated christ, is another. i am still haunted
by oera linda(book) statement that egyptians
were of the yellow race/oriental, which is
quite possible given the eurasian circuit
opened by nomads of deer culture 50k bc.
the first religious pump and collection
plate for gold and silver and iron appears
to be the altai/altia(N)/altar mts. we go
from deer to horse to sheep, the spontaneity
of the nomad, following pasturing animals
who are following weather, fodder food
patterns makes everything possible as the
eurasian populations link into motion, 50k bc.
what’s west goes east, what’s east goes west
when rain replaces snow. the finns settle
at 8k bc, dog and pig are bred in compound
in china at 9k bc, zatal huyuk at 7k bc,
gobekli a fixed locus/worship area at
11k bc, the gods are settling down, or
should one say the goddess has come out
of her cave and is sporting with her
ad hoc skygod beau who promises to be
the warp and weft religions we have today,
their object a matrimony fertile enough
to populate sodom and gomorrah with
enough colored slaves to inflate the tire
of public works so egypt will be possible.
given the preceding millenial pop swirl,
which i call the nomad religious epoch,
a contradiction in terms as the fixed
point is religion, the always,
the same, the everyway/todavía(sp),
the eternal spontaneity of the nomad,
where time but not worship is excluded,
one can only wait for post-edenic agriculture
to assault the religious wanderer’s
connexion with animal gods of sustenance=
tonacatecuhtli(N)=lord of sustenance/
tonalli(N)=soul=tonatiuh(N)=sun,
by attacking our most intimate god,
tlaltecuhtli(N)=the earthlord, not for
nothing did the nivkhi/nepchipeua(N)=
nipping chipping shipping people of
the amur/sakhalin area, related to
the ainu tree culture people, not for
nothing did they consider it a sin
to scratch and hoe the earth deity,
as they wanted to stay the way they were,
which is the object of all religions,
like jello that does not want to return
to colored water once set. at the same
time, slowly working against the nomad
age(every age works for its own
demise)is the tonalamatl/book of souls,
a bible of beasts and primordial phenomena,
linked to venus/uentli(N)/venison culture,
being worked out from 50k bc, a snapshot
of days 7/8(deer/rabbit) at lagar velho,
26k bc. if we get 2 calendric days buried there
in portugal as neander is dying out of europe,
then it must be in fuller form and in use to
the east where the altar/altia(N)/altai mts.
the extent to which religion is contemporary,
then, now, before, after, is the measure of
its gravity= cauitl(N)=time, it’s dross, it’s
inability to live up to its name by rising/
tleco(N)/legging up the te(m)ple/tepetl(N)
steps/tepetl(N)=mountain, mountain,
to the true service practitioners require
for unity, the sitting and setting of our
species on blue planet.
until then we’ll be looking at loaves
of white bread thinking they are smarter
than integral(sp)=wheat/trigo(sp), or
black bread because we are trapped
within boundarys of moribund religions
whose only wandering is to have
forsaken timelessness and spontaneity
of nomadic origin for the faithless presumption
death is a fixed point with which they can cozzen the credulous, either for subsequent reward
or salvation. there is no salvation, the future
is now, the only when the divine has ever had.
Elly // July 25, 2009 at 4:10 pm |
they are black mixed , ancient egyptians were truelly black
israel cannan // July 29, 2009 at 6:35 pm |
crap, the palistinians are invaders:
200 years ego, the british have been saying that there is a lack of peaple in israel.
in the 30s there were 600 000 arabs, today over 10 million!!!
paint of a typical semith(second from right):
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/27/l_b2ff1c51de1e4b708a6f1b023466ec6d.jpg
there is a “darker” version of the semith, but always lighter than the egyptians, and alweys with a “jewish” face.
the eastern jews are the REAL palistinians, and look like the same as israelites.
tzopilotl // August 10, 2009 at 8:19 pm |
…it’s cemitta(N)=center look/itta(N), to
examine someone from seed/cemill/tta=
semilla(sp) forward. after gobekli, 11k bc,
the semittas/cemitta/cemithualtin(N)=
one family, lit. those from the same house
(abraham is the common ancestor of arab
and jew). ithualli(N)=patio in general, and
threshing floor. the semites first task when
they were united was to take charge of the
wheat grain agriculture in the aftermath of gobekli, they worked family by family, the
tribe connected by this one occupation,
much like craft harrappans did in india,
but much earlier. the story of eden marks
this passage of the israeli-arab tribe to
a people, one people united by harvest.
they rose up with city building made possible
by the slavery management of gobekli,
bred in different cities, traded in wheat
and goods, forming later tribes and guilds.
Rami // November 10, 2009 at 2:10 pm |
Now, I’m an Arab, and I’m Syrian.
You guys in the US are all non-native americans yet you are so “proud” of yourself and your so called country, after slaughtering the real natives.
Oh and those arabs that consider themselves “nonarabs” are usually nonmuslim, im not saying all of them are that way, but they think that Arabs are just about islam, so Marianne, if you would like to leave, and become Obama’s cheerleader, the door is right there, and dont let it hit you in the back.
’nuff said
Marwan // November 13, 2009 at 3:50 pm |
hey everybody am an egyptian and i don’t like to be called an arab or anything like that . and and so many egyptians think we are just egyptians….thats why we call the people from saudi arabia and kuwait people from the arabic golf i mean ,we call them arabs ,like if theres alot of saudi arabians in egypt ,we say theres alot of arabs here. but we never call ourselves arabs ..maybe we do but only on tv or something , i guess it has to do with our pride or something. plus we look so different from the arabs we are much taller and our face figure is much different! we are just different! theres only one thing in common between us and arabs! 1st: we speak arabic. 2nd most of us are muslims….thats all i guess…but if u look at the difference between egyptians and arabs u gonna find lots and lots and lots of differences…like in the accent,outfits,figure,music,movies and lifestyle we r just different …. thanks
naturescorner1 // November 28, 2009 at 8:10 pm |
Marwan if you are Egyptian(ancient and modern) you are either Arab Semitic White(ancient and modern Egyptians by ethnicity), or, Black Nubian and Egyptian by Nationality. Make up your mind. The Haplomarkers show ethnic Egyptians(ancient and modern are Arab Semitic White). Mathilda still has NOT corrected her error in including Haplotype V as a Black Haplomarker when it is an Arab Semitic White Haplomarker.
Lucotte 2003-
“Haplotypes V, XI, and IV are the main Y-chromosome-specific haplotypes in Egyptian males detected in the present study. ***Haplotype V is characteristic of Arab and Berber populations of North Africa*** (Lucotte et al., 2000) (EMPHASIS MINE)-same source as the statistics in yellow above.
mathilda37 // November 28, 2009 at 8:15 pm |
Mathilda still has NOT corrected her error in including Haplotype V as a Black Haplomarker when it is an Arab Semitic White Haplomarker
Naturescorner, its an E Y chr native to north Africa and its not an error.